Comments on: Can you become fully human in a world full of robots?

By: roberttuza

roberttuza — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 04:44:34 +0000

I suggest the book series “Ringing Cedars” to learn about the kin domain communities vision of Anatasia, who is the heroine of the book. In the books she described a way of life that is truly of the highest human co creation with nature. She also speaks about the ancient Vedic history of Russia that was erased, so that no one in Russia even knew about ti.

By: commongoodforestry

commongoodforestry — Thu, 11 May 2017 10:45:59 +0000

How did Peter develop these insights? Did they come from his taking time to think in his arm chair or was he somehow connected to his neighbor to be able to understand the difficulty of the project he undertook and the value of it because he had worked with him in the past.?

There is plenty of documentation of the willingness of those in power to use the resources as Peter has described (for their own self interest) to destabilize those who do not understand their greed.

A poorly understood program was put in place after WWII to move people from farms to cities, “The Adaptive Program for Agriculture”, that was so successful that it was taken globally by John Perkins. The perfidy of these powerful interests is described by Naomi Klein in her book, “The Shock Doctrine”.

Those who own the automation control the wealth they create and are reluctant to release it. We must be very wary of this trend. Thank you, Peter.

By: Peter Le Ray

Peter Le Ray — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 03:58:41 +0000

A few more thoughts for the mill……….The Jesuit Illich wrote about the deskilling of people. That skill once perfected by a human, taking often decades, ends up in a chip, a kind of robbery performed by intellectuals. The human becomes a bystander.

At least a manual truck driver is engaged, the robot truck leaves the driver sipping tea in the background…how boring… how scary.. Trucks mostly shift imported goods. Goods are imported because entrepreneurs chase cheaper costs by going to populous poor countries. The adulation of cheap price, catering to our selfish gene, the real cause of all social harm, becomes a race to the bottom where everyone looks for a competitive edge, a means to undercut another producer. Local industry gets dismantled and a dependence on far away goods is created..weird.

For awhile there was an idea of fair not cheap pricing.Thereby the legitimate dignified needs of all players in the productive process were considered. Governments even stepped in with tariffs so that local manufacturers weren’t undercut unfairly by overseas producers who exploited the poor in other countries.

One could wonder if competition should exist at all in the economic sector. Perhaps that activity should be cooperartive.(an ideal). Then all people would work with a common goal of feeding clothing and housing all people who live within a particular country. ( old idea …fraternity or sisterhood). Thinkers can compete for higher levels of truth because that activity does not directly threaten daily life. Governments representing the heart should ideally mediate assuring that equal rights and responsibilties are vouchsafed for all. That way the whole human being’s needs are addressed….head….heart and body.

A repetition of the same old socially harmful mentality with some robots tossed on top would just make present mattters worse. My neighbor is an eighty year old bricky. He built a new brick shed in a few weeks a couple of years ago….buggered knees but strong back, good wit and free…because of his skill…….cheers Peter

By: peter le ray

peter le ray — Sat, 29 Apr 2017 23:48:27 +0000

Hi……it is obvious that a well designed machine or robot can replace people at their work. Trouble is the owner of the machine absorbs the wages that the human workers once received for that work. It follows then that the replaced people won’t have a means of accessing money.

Methinks that more clever machines and robots will bring suffering to humanity until a bigger issue is resolved ie separating income from work done.. eg some kind of social wage.as a share of the income the machine earns needs to accompany robot advances.

At the moment clever people and business owners use machines to accrue more wealth for themselves and the once employed workers become stressed beggars and social outcasts, a condition not conducive to higher thinking. The advocates of the industrial revolution enthused about an increase in creative too leisure too but the link between workplace and income was never resolved and so we are where we are…with unnecessary dubious debt crippling every one and higher thinking being replaced by survival worries.

cheers…….Peter